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Post by lillianreptilian on May 10, 2010 20:49:04 GMT -5
Well I guess I'm adapting because I added 2 kg to my muthaflippin' jerk! Went from 71-->73 ;D
My sleeping has improved (better living through chemistry!) and I was more disciplined with getting to bed at somewhat reasonable hours over the weekend.
Lifting-wise, I really paid attention to my jerk foot-work. I had been pushing off more with my front/left foot, but today I worked on keeping on my heels and pushing off equally with both foot. It's amazing what a difference it makes--there was a whole cascade of problems from doing that wrong before.
My other lifts weren't shabby at all. Snatches were great from the blocks and I would do 1-2 from the blocks and if they went well I'd try to replicate it from the floor. Squats are back up closer to where they should be, so I think the issue with those was my work capacity is reduced from working more sleeping less (duh!). Hopefully I'll adapt more, and meanwhile I'll open with squats at least one day per week.
Fr Sq: up to 65x3, 70x3, 75x3,3,3, 60x7 Blk Sn: triples up to 45x3, 47x2+f, 49xf+f+1, 50xf+1, 45x3 Blk Jerks: triples up to 55x3, 60x2+f, 65x2, 70x2, 73x1 (PR), 75x po, f
I bet I could have made that glorious 75 kg jerk if I'd planned ahead more. I was just planning to work on consistency, but the force was with me so I kept going, but after all that other work I didn't have the body control I needed. Next time, baby!
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Post by Jared Enderton on May 10, 2010 20:51:43 GMT -5
heck yeah! Way to go on the recent PR's, keep tearing it up!!! what is "po" pussed out? hahaha?
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Post by Jared Enderton on May 10, 2010 20:52:33 GMT -5
only a matter of time before a CJ of 73!!
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Post by lillianreptilian on May 10, 2010 20:54:06 GMT -5
LMAO pretty much...
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Post by lillianreptilian on May 12, 2010 21:48:25 GMT -5
Sleeping was bad again, work was long, but lifting was pretty good. Gotta head to bed soon, but my lifts were something like:
Snatch: up to 52 for 3 singles (had to re-start once to get up there) C&J: up to 69xf, c+f, c+f, 60x1x3
LOL and that's all I did. In theory I am going to go to the gym tomorrow for squats and whatevs...let's hope I can make it.
I was more aggressive on my snatch warm-up, which didn't pay off. Looks like I need to stick with smaller increases in the beginning. Also, my hands are all tore up but when I try to use straps it distracts me. I probably just need to get over it so that my thumbs stop hurting.
C&J looking good--better than ever in fact. I think I am finally, at long last, understanding the clean. It's all about keeping my hips down and getting the rhythm right. Jerk was looking good too until I got to the really heavy ones.
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Post by Simon klimesh on May 12, 2010 22:34:55 GMT -5
keep lifting heavy on snatch and c&j lillian. Eventually you will learn how to do it perfectly. I think many people are stronger than the weights they fail to put overhead. It's not because they aren't strong enough, it's becasue they lack the skill to do so. The only way to develop this skill is many, many, many...many many high intensity singles. This sport is also a game of percentages, you don't want to gamble, the lifter that has hit the most successful high intensity lifts in training is bound to win. For instance, I've snatched 105 twice now, and missed 107 once. Everytime I snatch 105 again my chances of making 107 will increase because of the similarity of intensity. I look at it this way, I've tried 107, that's the first step. Soon I will learn how to snatch it.
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Post by lillianreptilian on May 13, 2010 20:39:22 GMT -5
Thanks Simon! I'm at the point now where I've had PRs of various kinds since the last meet and I'm clearly getting stronger and improving my technique, but I haven't gotten my bigger lifts to be consistent yet. I just gotta keep drilling it so that I don't wind up in the situation of almost bombing out like I did last time.
BUT...in the meantime, I had a big ol' back squat PR! I went from 97 kg-->105 kg! The last time I went that heavy was the beginning of April. It feels great to finally get past 100. The bar rolled around a little and almost kept me from getting up, so I should probably work on how I'm holding it.
It was nice to be able to break my workout up between yesterday and today. I'll have to try to do that more regularly.
Back Squat: up to 70x2, 80x1, 90x1, 95x1, 100x1 (PR), 105x1 (PR), 100xf, 95xf, 90x1,1,1 Snatch Pulls: up to 60x3x3
Now my back squat is finally getting up close to my deadlift (120 kg max), but I hardly ever train DLs. Last time I maxed on them my back was twitchy for like 3 weeks. On the one hand I think they're good for building overall strength, but on the other hand they can really interfere with the rest of my training. To DL or not to DL--opinions?
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Post by Simon klimesh on May 13, 2010 20:56:45 GMT -5
Well done Lillian! It's funny you mentioned the deadlift because I can't stand that lift! My back always feel terrible after doing them! The point is that too many lifters and coaches put too much emphasis on "strength?" exercises such as the deadlift and squat, which are two lifts done in the non Olympic sport of Powerlifting I might add. Many years ago Powerlifting and Weightlifting got mixed together somehow and the U.S. is still paying negatively for it. Just today I was talking to JP and he said "I am concerned about your strength". Well I never miss a clean and my c&j went up 9kgs in the last three weeks and it was done by putting less emphasis on "strength exercises" and more emphasis on snatch and c&j. Keep practicing heavy snatch and c&j Lillian, you will improve. Most of the people who have kicked my ass in weightlifting have one thing in common; I can beat them all in the back squat! Think about it.
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Post by lillianreptilian on May 14, 2010 12:34:50 GMT -5
Hmm that's definitely food for thought, especially that last part. I guess I always feel like I'm not strong enough because I didn't start out as an athlete.
I do think that heavy squatting is necessary. I went for several weeks of not doing much more than the Oly lifts and some accessories, and my progress stagnated and I started gaining weight (obviously not 'functional weight'). There's something about the stress on my CNS or something, which heavy, frequent squatting provides, which benefits my Oly lifts. The increased work also keeps me leaner.
I don't see as much of a benefit from DLs, and as I said before, sometimes they have a negative result. I just have a fondness for them because I always excelled at them, even when I was just beginning (hooray for long monkey arms!). Charley thinks they're necessary, Roger thinks they aren't and instead you can increase back strength with heavy pulls.
Today it's moot because my back is all kinds of sore from those heavy snatch pulls! Guess I went with Roger's approach yesterday.
For fun, here are my squat vids! Let me know if you have suggestions. I lost control of the bar on the 105, so I'll have to work on that.
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Post by Jared Enderton on May 14, 2010 13:31:26 GMT -5
Interesting discussion going on here.
2 of my thoughts
#1- deadlifts are worthless for weightlifting #2- squats are essential for weightlifting
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Post by Jared Enderton on May 14, 2010 13:32:06 GMT -5
and WOW! That is such a gutsy 105 squat! That was incredible, seriously. I am glad you got that on tape because any word description really would not do it justice. That is awesome, Lillian, you showed some great fight there!
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Post by Jared Enderton on May 14, 2010 13:33:10 GMT -5
and might I add- Simon, you have been posting some very informative stuff around here.. I really appreciate that. Even if 100% of us don't agree (I usually do), it is AWESOME for discussion and provoking us to think about how we train and why we train the way we do. This board really has had some great discussions lately thanks to everyone!
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Post by lillianreptilian on May 14, 2010 16:02:31 GMT -5
Thanks Jared! I HAD to get it--I was on tape! Sometimes the 'performing' aspect of weightlifting really helps me challenge myself, though at the last meet my nerves got the better of me. Interesting discussion going on here. 2 of my thoughts #1- deadlifts are worthless for weightlifting #2- squats are essential for weightlifting A very succinct summary of what I am finding to be true
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Post by brendanmoehn on May 14, 2010 21:44:17 GMT -5
great squat!! that was a hell of a fight, but once you got your back more perpendicular to the ground and your butt under you, you flew up
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Post by lillianreptilian on May 15, 2010 16:05:02 GMT -5
As men, I'm sure you learned this lesson long ago: beware letting pretty girls talk you into crazy things. My back was still sore and twitchy from Thursday, so I was going to put some Icy Hot on it. Instead, Natalie talked me into trying something called 'Equi-block', which she assured me was far better. I thought to read the label before applying it, and it said "apply to area of lameness". Lameness? Oooh...she forgot to mention IT'S FOR HORSES. Somehow I still decide to put it on, and at first no effect. Turns out it's activated by moisture. Not long into my warmup my back begins to BURN WITH THE FIRE OF A THOUSAND SUNS . Oh god so much more pain than I was in before...my back is still all pink. Fortunately I survived, and at least I didn't grow hooves, but after our ammonia hijinks last month, I worry about what she has up her sleeve next time. *** Workout was aiight but nothing special. Still lacking the consistency I want. Some gym drama crap coincided with my snatches going to shit--don't know if that's the cause or a coincidence, but it's lame either way. I guess it's inevitable when you spend so much time with the same people (not to mention the egos that are necessary for this kind of sport). I really, really try to stay disconnected from it, but it can still be distracting. Snatch: 35x3, 38x3, 41x2, 44x1, 47x1, 49x1, 51x1, 53xf,f, 50x1, 52xf,f, 50xf, 45x1, 48x1, 50x1,1,1 C&J: up to 65x1, 68x1, 70xf, 60x1,1,1 1/4 Fr Sq: up to 120x5,5,5 Press: 15x5, 25x5, 27x4+f, 5, 4 Roger wasn't surprised to see me struggling after those squats the other day. Since my back was bothering me I didn't want to do my full FS as planned, so he had me do quarters. Very fun to put huge weights on the bar! If I considered squats to be what 99% of gymgoers do, I could say I front squat 265 lbs x 5!
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