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Post by lillianreptilian on May 4, 2010 21:39:42 GMT -5
Given the idea of a 'daily max' based on the most you can lift in a given exercise on a particular day, what does this mean for stimulating the body on a day when you are exhausted?
I ask this because my squats have taken a nosedive as I start a new job and schedule. I am wondering--am I still providing useful stimulation to my body if I can only squat 10 kg less than usual? Or should I just skip the squats until I catch up on sleep and can lift closer to my usual amounts?
In a more general sense my question is: if your daily max is a function of your fatigue level, is the amount of stimulation you need to have a benefit also relative to your fatigue level?
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Post by Simon klimesh on May 4, 2010 21:58:43 GMT -5
I think it's all relative. stick with the squats. Squatting is never a bad idea.
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Post by Jared Enderton on May 5, 2010 18:24:02 GMT -5
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Post by lillianreptilian on May 5, 2010 21:32:57 GMT -5
Ooh thanks for the new Broz thread link! Sounds like I just need to toughen up and squat  |
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Post by Simon klimesh on May 6, 2010 12:39:59 GMT -5
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Post by vincedecker on May 6, 2010 17:30:59 GMT -5
That thread is AWESOME. North is a character. Love that guy.
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Post by Jared Enderton on May 6, 2010 19:52:22 GMT -5
hahahaha wow norik doesn't mess around does he? he's telling it like it is haha wow.
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Post by Simon klimesh on May 6, 2010 19:57:41 GMT -5
John North brings up a very good point. People want to believe in overtraining, when really most people aren't training hard enough. People want to think less is more. Since when did hard work not pay off? The truth is days off are never good, and training light only makes you weak. People want it to be complicated but it is simple. Train hard on the snatch and clean and jerk plus squats, everyday, to the maximum. Let's say you just had a phenomonal workout with PRs so what do you do? come back the next day and lift light weights, or worse yet take the day off? No! come back and give it everything again! You have to adapt. Think about the movie Rudy how it was the 1st day of practice at Notre Dame and he was acting like it was the super bowl. You have to give that kind of effort day in and day out. IT'S THE OLYMPICS EVERYDAY! THAT IS MY NEW MOTTO.
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Post by vincedecker on May 6, 2010 20:34:43 GMT -5
Ah Shankle, Ah Steiner, Ah Klavetter...
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Post by vincedecker on May 6, 2010 20:42:43 GMT -5
John North brings up a very good point. People want to believe in overtraining, when really most people aren't training hard enough. People want to think less is more. Since when did hard work not pay off? The truth is days off are never good, and training light only makes you weak. People want it to be complicated but it is simple. Train hard on the snatch and clean and jerk plus squats, everyday, to the maximum. Let's say you just had a phenomonal workout with PRs so what do you do? come back the next day and lift light weights, or worse yet take the day off? No! come back and give it everything again! You have to adapt. Think about the movie Rudy how it was the 1st day of practice at Notre Dame and he was acting like it was the super bowl. You have to give that kind of effort day in and day out. IT'S THE OLYMPICS EVERYDAY! THAT IS MY NEW MOTTO. I actually think this philosophy is starting to catch on a little more here in America. (Not that I know much about weightlifting philosophy in America in the past.) It definitely takes a special athlete to "survive" this type of training long term though. Sounds like those guys have a pretty good thing going there in Cali. |
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Post by lillianreptilian on May 6, 2010 20:46:08 GMT -5
Haha North got owned by Norik. Is it any surprise that there's no one answer? I personally don't trust anyone who tells me they have the 'one true way' to success when it comes to solving a long-term, challenging problem.
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Post by Simon klimesh on May 7, 2010 18:08:26 GMT -5
Lillian to answer your question, I do think there is one best way. As Brian Derwin puts it "lift heavy and often". There will always be debates on which system is the best; Bulgarian style, Chinese, Russian, etc. These systems are different in many ways but the thing all champions have in common is the hard work they do. I don't see how lifting hard, heavy, and giving it everything you have won't pay off, but taking it easy, going light when you don't want to go heavy, I can see how that would make a person weak. I just read that articel by Duane Hansen about training and I think It's great. Many people can't get in the gym everyday, but he makes a strong point that you should lift as heavy as possible everytime you can get in the gym. Think about it this way, everytime you don't lift as much as possible you are teaching your body to hold back. If you step it up and lift as much as possible every chance you get, you body will know nothing else and you will reach your potential. Don't waste workouts, don't waste potential. As me and Adam put it the other weakend; Carpe Diem, seize the day. Trust little in the future and and get the most out of what you can do today. Live for today.
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Post by lillianreptilian on May 8, 2010 10:59:53 GMT -5
Oh I don't think there's any denying that what it takes is HARD WORK, persistence, dedication, intestinal fortitude, etc...
What I mean is that if you look at a room full of Olympic champions, their training will have varied wildly. Lots of accessory work, little accessory work, more periodization, less periodization, etc... In essence, what we agree is that they have one major thing in common: the ability and the will to have worked unbelievably hard over a long period of time.
It's the details where I think various people argue that they have 'one true way'. For instance, Broz thinks OHS are a waste of time, while Duane thinks they're extremely beneficial. I don't think Duane is claiming to have 'one true way', but Broz gets into that territory, as he is a bit evangelistic. Is one of them right and the other wrong? I think Burgener is also a proponent of OHS. There are probably many champions who spent hundreds of hours doing OHS and some who only did them once or twice a year. I'm trying to illustrate that you will always find differing opinions on what is the 'best' way, and when it comes to the small things you will never find an answer. That's why they're the small things.
But right now, I'm going to stop typing and go to the gym, because in the end, that's what matters most!
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