Post by cwetlaufer on Mar 29, 2011 13:01:49 GMT -5
Well this thread has certainly blown up.
First off, any system can be successful. Everyone is different and needs different stimuli/recovery/practice/etc. No one system works best for anyone.
I am of the belief that once technique (for any lift, not just the oly lifts) attains a certain level, technique improvements become difficult. I am not an oly lifter, but I know at the top of strongman/powerlifting even the best lifters have technique flaws. Zydrunas Log press, Vogelpohls squats for example, technique could be better. But once they are near the max of their bodies abilities, it becomes difficult to improve technique, and also strength from only doing those lifts.
Lets look at the snatch, and lets pretend we are rating the requirements for the snatch. (this is a made up example so don't over analize the details)
Lifter A-(on a scale of 1-10)
TEchnique-8
Posterior Chain Strength-5
Oh support-6
Speed-7
Lets say in 8 months his numbers are-
Tech-8
Posterior Chain-8
OH support-9
Speed-8
He will lift more in the snatch. Some one made the comment in the other thread, "I understand the conjugate system, and I don't like it". Well....do you really understand it? This is what it is. It is about keeping your technique level high with lots of practice at lower %'s. While working the same muscle groups to a maximal effort in various ways in order to continue to see improvement.
I am no Westside nuthanger, so don't get me wrong. But when someone says they "understand the conjugate system and I don't like it". I usually learn they don't understand it, and they aren't talking about strict conjugate, they're talking about westside. And what they don't like is powerlifting gear and box accomadating resistance. Louie Simmons adapted his version from that used by the USSR in the 60's and 70's for olympic weightlifting... Would conjugate periodization work well for olympic lifting in the way Westside uses it? Of course not, they compete in a different sport, its completly different. Could conjugate periodization be used for oly lifting...sure.
I am not well versed in the specific protocals of what the american teams do. But the Chinese system IS CONJGATE PERIODIZATION....
It seems what you're saying Jared, is you've changed your beliefs on YOU, based on YOUR evolution as a lifter. That doesn't mean Bulgarian training sucks, or shouldn't be used, it means it is not optimal for YOU.
Any athlete who doesn't constantly evaluate their strengths/weaknesses/progress and make adjustments isn't a strength athlete. They're a recreational lifter. WHich is FINE! Just admit it and move on. If you're doing the same thing you did 5 yrs ago, 2 yrs ago, 6 mnths ago, whatever, and you haven't made progress.....change something!
First off, any system can be successful. Everyone is different and needs different stimuli/recovery/practice/etc. No one system works best for anyone.
I am of the belief that once technique (for any lift, not just the oly lifts) attains a certain level, technique improvements become difficult. I am not an oly lifter, but I know at the top of strongman/powerlifting even the best lifters have technique flaws. Zydrunas Log press, Vogelpohls squats for example, technique could be better. But once they are near the max of their bodies abilities, it becomes difficult to improve technique, and also strength from only doing those lifts.
Lets look at the snatch, and lets pretend we are rating the requirements for the snatch. (this is a made up example so don't over analize the details)
Lifter A-(on a scale of 1-10)
TEchnique-8
Posterior Chain Strength-5
Oh support-6
Speed-7
Lets say in 8 months his numbers are-
Tech-8
Posterior Chain-8
OH support-9
Speed-8
He will lift more in the snatch. Some one made the comment in the other thread, "I understand the conjugate system, and I don't like it". Well....do you really understand it? This is what it is. It is about keeping your technique level high with lots of practice at lower %'s. While working the same muscle groups to a maximal effort in various ways in order to continue to see improvement.
I am no Westside nuthanger, so don't get me wrong. But when someone says they "understand the conjugate system and I don't like it". I usually learn they don't understand it, and they aren't talking about strict conjugate, they're talking about westside. And what they don't like is powerlifting gear and box accomadating resistance. Louie Simmons adapted his version from that used by the USSR in the 60's and 70's for olympic weightlifting... Would conjugate periodization work well for olympic lifting in the way Westside uses it? Of course not, they compete in a different sport, its completly different. Could conjugate periodization be used for oly lifting...sure.
I am not well versed in the specific protocals of what the american teams do. But the Chinese system IS CONJGATE PERIODIZATION....
It seems what you're saying Jared, is you've changed your beliefs on YOU, based on YOUR evolution as a lifter. That doesn't mean Bulgarian training sucks, or shouldn't be used, it means it is not optimal for YOU.
Any athlete who doesn't constantly evaluate their strengths/weaknesses/progress and make adjustments isn't a strength athlete. They're a recreational lifter. WHich is FINE! Just admit it and move on. If you're doing the same thing you did 5 yrs ago, 2 yrs ago, 6 mnths ago, whatever, and you haven't made progress.....change something!