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Post by Jared Enderton on Apr 25, 2010 13:05:54 GMT -5
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Post by lillianreptilian on Apr 25, 2010 15:54:16 GMT -5
My exciting Friday night was watching that Abadjayev vid. His lifters seemed so unhappy...was that just the monotonous translator, or are people on the Bulgarian system doomed to be exhausted and glum? How much can the body and mind truly adapt to these work loads? Just food for thought...
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Post by Jared Enderton on Apr 25, 2010 20:03:04 GMT -5
Most do not adapt. I would say most get pile driven straight into the ground and pry never recover. But, those select few that are blessed to be able to keep their spirits high and bodies push through it- they are usually the best of the best! It is not for everyone that is for sure...
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Post by Simon klimesh on Apr 26, 2010 9:51:05 GMT -5
I actually like the monotonous translators voice I'm sure life wasn't all doom and gloom for the Bulgarian lifters of the 80s. I've read how Abadjiev made training harder so the lifters didn't have any energy to go out and party. My guess is they worked there asses off, but they were looking to "get away from it all" when there was a chance. I've also read about Bulgarian lifter being on "holiday" and only having to lift once a day, but Jared is correct, lots of lifter did "wash out" in the process. The system was made so that the "cream rise to the top", but I believe the same system can be used in slightly different forms for any type of lifter.
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Post by Jared Enderton on Apr 26, 2010 17:58:45 GMT -5
Very good point Simon. I haven't had a chance to check out the video but I will soon.
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Post by brendanmoehn on Apr 26, 2010 20:50:14 GMT -5
I definitely like the idea of this system. I'm really not sure if my body could handle it though. As of now I can't even handle doing overheads more than everyother day. I know it takes time to work into it.
Right now I have been trying to lift very high intensity everyday I lift, but I am still having off/rest days as well as only snatching & C&J 3 days a week.
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Post by Jared Enderton on May 2, 2010 13:43:15 GMT -5
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Post by Simon klimesh on May 9, 2010 9:35:32 GMT -5
About the Bulgarian System:
The basic idea of the bulgarian way of training is that you are practicing weightlifting competitions to get good at weightlifting competitions. Most of the time you will his 95%-100%weights three days per week and 80&-90% weights on the other days depending on who you are. What I believe this way of training does is it turns your muslces into "olympic lifting muscles" or snappy muscles. I'm not big into the science of it all but I belive there are "powerlifting type muscles", slow muscles, Brute strength muscles, etc. The olympic lifting muscles are the fast muscles. What the Bulgraian way of training does is it slowly changes you "powerlifting" muscles into olympic lifting muscles. This is slowly happening for me! I have always squatted so much more than I clean and jerk, but clean and jerk is going up now that I have been training the bulgarian way, I'm not a freak that can naturally clean and jerk as much as I can front squat, I'm not that lucky. I have more of those "brute strength muscles" which I belive actually get in the way and slow you down, but I believe if you train this way long enough that you can change your muslces into the good ones, the fast ones. Obviously those genetic freaks with all fast muscles from birth are going to have a head start. Think about it, I honestly believe in this concept.
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Post by brendanmoehn on May 9, 2010 23:05:01 GMT -5
Very good way of looking at it. I think the science is a little different, but the idea is good.
You can't really change the type of muscle you have. You are born with that, but you can change how efficiently they work and such by how your nervous system tells the muscles to work. You want to be fast, so you train fast. Eventually your nervous system will be fast and you better hope you have the fast twitch muscles to listen to that nerve impulse...
sorry i'm geeking out a bit on ya lol. that's how i understand it anyway
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Post by Jared Enderton on May 15, 2010 14:32:25 GMT -5
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Post by Simon klimesh on May 23, 2010 22:10:14 GMT -5
@ Brendan. try this on for size Consistent training with high intensity loadings can increase the density of nerve impulse that can be generated by the central nervous system. Over time this allows the athlete to recruit a greater percentage of their higher threshold muscle fibres and hence significantly improve power output. Additionally, there is evidence that Type IIa muscle fibres can actually be converted to the more powerful Type IIb fibre type. Abadjiev states that these adaptations are best achieved when loadings are near maximal
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Post by Alex Moss (Chomper) on May 24, 2010 15:04:13 GMT -5
this is true simon, your body does go through a process called Neural Adaptation, which is when your CNS adapts to the stressors and as you progress your body is able to recruit a greater amount of muscle fibers for a specific movement. For example, its not unlikely to see a kid first starting to lift, and lets say he can only bench 135 4 times, and a wk later he's able to do 135 6 times. it doesnt mean that he's getting stronger, it means that his nervous system has adapted and has recruited a greater amount of muscle fibers for this movement allowing the lift to seem easier and being able to push out more reps. same thing goes with weightlifting, when a person PR's in the snatch or c&j early in their career, it doesnt always mean they're getting stronger, but their nervous system is adapting and is able to recruit a greater amount of muscle fibers.
Also, it has been proven that TypeIIa fibers can convert to TypeIIb fibers b/c they are both fast twitch muscle fibers. Type I fibers are slow twitch and there is no current research that has studied or proven that Type I fibers can be converted to Type IIa or b. However, I read a study that Type II fibers can be converted to type I, but this was conducted on rabbits and they were exposed to electro-stimulation treatment for 12 wks straight, where the muscle would fire involuntarily. Also, there are Type IIab and IIc fibers that a lot of people dont know about. these fibers are usually labeled this bc they are in the transition of converting from IIa to IIb.
but yes all in all, by performing the lifts at your daily maximal effort, you're not only building strength, you are also applying stress to your nervous system causing it to adapt to the heavy weights and allowing your body to recruit a greater amount of muscle fibers to perform these technical lifts. And that's the advantage that weightlifters that have been training for years have, their nervous system has adapted over the years allowing them to recruit as many muscle fibers as possible.
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Post by Simon klimesh on May 27, 2010 0:13:42 GMT -5
I want to say something about this system of training. What it does is it forces you to deal with issues, issues that you are going to have to deal with. What happens is you test your limits and you miss a weight, and it forces you to ask why? Why did I miss this weight? Everyone has bad habits and these bad habits are plain to see when you get around 95+%, so much that even a common bystander could point out "pull it higher" or "get under it quicker" or "you're lifting it too slow, etc. It's as if everything becomes BASIC. After awhile you get sick and tired of missing a weight and you do what you have to, you learn how to lift it, you make a correction, in other words you adapt. Even someone as ignorant as me, if I miss a weight enough times, well I start to think about what I might have to do in order to get the damn thing up. Sometimes you don't even have to think, you just have to keep trying and your body figures it out. The point is that this system is simple and it works. It's not for everyone, but is is for people who never quit, people who never give up, people who are too thick headed to submit. In simple terms this system is about giving it everything on snatch and clean and jerk and eventually breaking through to another level. You break through to a level where there is no limits, only obstacles that with enough tries you can achieve and push even further. So I say to all of you, give it everything you have, day in and day out, and break through to another level, I will meet you there.
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Post by Simon klimesh on Jun 8, 2010 21:29:28 GMT -5
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Post by vincedecker on Jun 8, 2010 22:35:43 GMT -5
Good find, Simon. IA must have stayed in Cali for a while. Pretty cool - maybe he will come again?
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